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If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by Monstar » 18 Apr 2011 20:22 I would have done the same thing. It makes perfect sense why they didn't qualify, and why they did what they did. It's not their fault there are no competitors in P2, they didn't want to deal with racing the LMPC cars, and they have Le Mans testing to pack up for. Given all that criteria... it really is hard to fault them. Being that I was at the race, I would have liked to see what they could do... but can you blame them?
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by Hugewally » 18 Apr 2011 21:04 On the contrary, its very easy to fault them for what they did and how they did it, especially if they truly wanted to show respect for/to the series and the fans.
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by Monstar » 18 Apr 2011 21:25 Hugewally wrote:
This isn't Little League, its a professional blood sport.
That's exactly why they ran the exact minimum they had to obtain the points necessary for the championship. Why risk doing anything more?
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by Hugewally » 18 Apr 2011 21:35 If that was only the case, then why withdraw one car (and not the car going to Le Mans)? I guess Diaz didn't need the points...
Its not like any of their concerns weren't know before they packed up and went to Long Beach to begin with.
If they truly didn't want to be around the LMPC cars, then why not qualify both cars and then start from pit lane? That would show more respect for the series/fans than what they did.
The whole thing was a farce. Yes, IMSA shouldn't wait for the ACO to get their heads of out of rears and just go ahead and make a restrictor break for P2 (seeing how the ACO has everything so messed up to begin with, with class speeds). None of the LMPC teams are happy right now either. IMSA/ALMS should keep in mind that there is a market for all those LMPC cars across the pond.
Also, what Tucker should be attempting to change is this rule - 6.2.2.1 A driver so entered must declare, prior to the conclusion of Sporting Checks or no later than one hour prior to the start of the first official practice session,
whichever comes first, in which car they will be eligible to score points, etc..
Why pick the car before you turn a wheel in practice? Let them pick what car to score points in before the start of the race. Why hamstring a team before the event starts?
Its not like any of their concerns weren't know before they packed up and went to Long Beach to begin with.
If they truly didn't want to be around the LMPC cars, then why not qualify both cars and then start from pit lane? That would show more respect for the series/fans than what they did.
The whole thing was a farce. Yes, IMSA shouldn't wait for the ACO to get their heads of out of rears and just go ahead and make a restrictor break for P2 (seeing how the ACO has everything so messed up to begin with, with class speeds). None of the LMPC teams are happy right now either. IMSA/ALMS should keep in mind that there is a market for all those LMPC cars across the pond.
Also, what Tucker should be attempting to change is this rule - 6.2.2.1 A driver so entered must declare, prior to the conclusion of Sporting Checks or no later than one hour prior to the start of the first official practice session,
whichever comes first, in which car they will be eligible to score points, etc..
Why pick the car before you turn a wheel in practice? Let them pick what car to score points in before the start of the race. Why hamstring a team before the event starts?
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by Monstar » 18 Apr 2011 21:51 If there is anything out of this it is that Tucker and Level 5 know how to read the rules and do what they need to do. 
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by LMPCfan » 18 Apr 2011 22:13 Hugewally wrote:If that was only the case, then why withdraw one car (and not the car going to Le Mans)? I guess Diaz didn't need the points...
Its not like any of their concerns weren't know before they packed up and went to Long Beach to begin with.
If they truly didn't want to be around the LMPC cars, then why not qualify both cars and then start from pit lane? That would show more respect for the series/fans than what they did.
The whole thing was a farce. Yes, IMSA shouldn't wait for the ACO to get their heads of out of rears and just go ahead and make a restrictor break for P2 (seeing how the ACO has everything so messed up to begin with, with class speeds). None of the LMPC teams are happy right now either. IMSA/ALMS should keep in mind that there is a market for all those LMPC cars across the pond.
Also, what Tucker should be attempting to change is this rule - 6.2.2.1 A driver so entered must declare, prior to the conclusion of Sporting Checks or no later than one hour prior to the start of the first official practice session,
whichever comes first, in which car they will be eligible to score points, etc..
Why pick the car before you turn a wheel in practice? Let them pick what car to score points in before the start of the race. Why hamstring a team before the event starts?
Oh I beg to differ. The back half of the spyder did go to Europe as a spare.
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by Hugewally » 18 Apr 2011 23:15 And the coupe that turned laps at LB went as a complete spare car, so whats your point?
If Le Mans is so important, then why go to LB in the first place (when you already know you haven't any competition)?
Either go and compete or don't bother, just don't half-**** it like they did.
If Le Mans is so important, then why go to LB in the first place (when you already know you haven't any competition)?
Either go and compete or don't bother, just don't half-**** it like they did.
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by Chris Draper » 19 Apr 2011 00:10 Why didn't they just not participate like Robertson Racing did?
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by TWK » 19 Apr 2011 00:28 "Let me switch cars (overturning a written rule)...OR ELSE...I'll go 40 and park." You people REALLY don't see anything wrong with that? 
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by StarkNaked » 19 Apr 2011 01:15 Monstar wrote:but can you blame them?
Oh, hell yes I can blame them. Total loss of respect for the entire team. What they did was a joke and an insult.
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by porschefan » 19 Apr 2011 01:49 StarkNaked wrote:Monstar wrote:but can you blame them?
Total loss of respect for the entire team.
Why for the entire team? It's Tucker's decision, why lose respect for the employees? That's kind of like losing respect for the guys that had no decision making authority at Enron.
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by Fogelhund » 19 Apr 2011 03:21 Indeed what they did was make a mockery of the series. I agree they should have just skipped the race, is their seasons points lead somehow under jeopardy?
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by Pointdsm » 19 Apr 2011 03:46 porschefan wrote:StarkNaked wrote:Monstar wrote:but can you blame them?
Total loss of respect for the entire team.
Why for the entire team? It's Tucker's decision, why lose respect for the employees? That's kind of like losing respect for the guys that had no decision making authority at Enron.
Correct, people have no basis for losing respect for David Stone. While he is the manager, he is simple performing a job. I believe strongly that IMSA should take a major role against the ACO, and create "proper" road racing. What happened to LMP1 and LMP2 racing together? Could the same formula work in GT racing, power vs handling?
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by nkoske » 19 Apr 2011 11:00 TWK wrote:"Let me switch cars (overturning a written rule)...OR ELSE...I'll go 40 and park." You people REALLY don't see anything wrong with that?
This comes to mind for some reason
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by StarkNaked » 19 Apr 2011 13:25 porschefan wrote:StarkNaked wrote:Monstar wrote:but can you blame them?
Total loss of respect for the entire team.
Why for the entire team? It's Tucker's decision, why lose respect for the employees? That's kind of like losing respect for the guys that had no decision making authority at Enron.
Point taken....But on the other hand, Tucker's stooges did a fine job spewing the B.S. as well.
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by td2001 » 19 Apr 2011 14:29 OK, let me ask this, "Who made the decision to nominate the coupe at Long Beach" ?
If who ever it was knew the rules, then I'm going to have to assume that they agreed the decision with Mr. Tucker?
If not, we either have a lower level employee over stepping his pay grade, or Mr. Tucker telling an employee to go and "fix" the problem! Either way we have a team trying to change rules that were written to stop the problem that they started when they came into the series.
Two thumbs up for the series finally growing a pair!
Now if they would only fine them for bringing the series into disrepute with their "start and park" game's, say, the amount they will win, then we are on the way to a correctly run series.
If who ever it was knew the rules, then I'm going to have to assume that they agreed the decision with Mr. Tucker?
If not, we either have a lower level employee over stepping his pay grade, or Mr. Tucker telling an employee to go and "fix" the problem! Either way we have a team trying to change rules that were written to stop the problem that they started when they came into the series.
Two thumbs up for the series finally growing a pair!
Now if they would only fine them for bringing the series into disrepute with their "start and park" game's, say, the amount they will win, then we are on the way to a correctly run series.
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by dysonfan » 19 Apr 2011 14:47 td2001 wrote:OK, let me ask this, "Who made the decision to nominate the coupe at Long Beach" ?
If who ever it was knew the rules, then I'm going to have to assume that they agreed the decision with Mr. Tucker?
If not, we either have a lower level employee over stepping his pay grade, or Mr. Tucker telling an employee to go and "fix" the problem! Either way we have a team trying to change rules that were written to stop the problem that they started when they came into the series.
Two thumbs up for the series finally growing a pair!
Now if they would only fine them for bringing the series into disrepute with their "start and park" game's, say, the amount they will win, then we are on the way to a correctly run series.
Couldn't agree more. Its good to see the series not roll over like they usually do. Now only if they'd do the same to the ACO.
On a side note, I'm glad that level 5 adds 2 cars to the grid. Without them, we'd have no one in P2. However, I'm really getting sick of their crap. Wonder if they left GA because they knew GA wouldn't put up with their rule bending. Hate to see what would happen if Tucker loaned the ALMS any money and tried to leverage it. Corporate Loan shark he is.
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by Monstar » 19 Apr 2011 14:53 There's some good observations here, definitely has me rethinking level 5's actions.
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by rwintle » 19 Apr 2011 15:40 Start and park makes some kind of sense (although I hasten to add I hate the strategy) in, say, NASCAR, where you can still win prize money for doing it.
In ALMS, it makes sense if getting those points is important. Which in this case, it isn't.
Question - do they get credited with an LMP2 class win for this?
In ALMS, it makes sense if getting those points is important. Which in this case, it isn't.
Question - do they get credited with an LMP2 class win for this?
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by exflagger » 19 Apr 2011 15:53 so at this point sir, why compete the rest of the year if there is no competition. just save the car after lm for plm? nothing wrong with that by your reasoning.
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by Carousel » 19 Apr 2011 15:58 The only thing wrong with what Level 5 did was that it violated the spirit of sporting competition. (Set aside for the mo' the fact that they had no competition.) As a business decision, racing just one car and then parking it after the minimum made perfect sense. As a sporting matter, it was entirely unprofessional and bush league.
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by StarkNaked » 19 Apr 2011 16:46 rwintle wrote:Question - do they get credited with an LMP2 class win for this?
Yes, Car 33 got 20 points for the win. Not running at the finish. Status "Mechanical".
Car 055 DNS, so they got zero points.
http://www.imsaracing.net/2011/alms/LMP2.pdf
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by Canada ALMS fan » 19 Apr 2011 17:39 Fogelhund wrote:Indeed what they did was make a mockery of the series.
Atherton et al must hate the competition...
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by baigu » 19 Apr 2011 21:12 I don't really care for what they did. They are "racing" alone so it's not really racing anyways. They can do the same thing at the next races and I don't mind. No need to take more risks that you need to. Fans don't really care for that class anyways
Why race against no one for the entire race. What if Tucker crashes the car or get's hurt racing alone? Then he would look like a real idiot.
Why race against no one for the entire race. What if Tucker crashes the car or get's hurt racing alone? Then he would look like a real idiot.
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by Hugewally » 19 Apr 2011 21:21 Or he could just park the cars for the rest of the year and still win the P2 championship.
Who looks like an idiot then?
Who looks like an idiot then?
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by baigu » 19 Apr 2011 21:26 My guess he wants the track time, without the risks of the race.
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by porschefan » 19 Apr 2011 21:38 Canada ALMS fan wrote:Fogelhund wrote:Indeed what they did was make a mockery of the series.
Atherton et al must hate the competition...
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Re: If I am Level 5 Motorsports at Long Beach...
by td2001 » 20 Apr 2011 10:31 Wally, anyone that buy's two cars in order that they get in the highest finishing car, or in the case of this years LMP2, winning, does not care about who he "upsets" or indeed who he races against, he is just "winning" races for his own history ego, whenever he so chooses to depart the scene.
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by yamato » 20 Apr 2011 12:48 indeed, the picture of him and Bouchut on the podium with the other "winners" just about made me throw up 
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